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Redefining Dementia
Jim Kinsey: Navigating Grief and Embracing Joy Through the Dementia Journey
In this deeply moving episode of Redefining Dementia, we welcome back the insightful and compassionate Jim Kinsey. With over 20 years of experience in healthcare consulting and a passion for person-centered care, Jim brings a wealth of knowledge and heartfelt reflections on the complexities of grief in the dementia journey.
Together, we explore how anticipatory grief—the unique type of grief experienced when caring for someone with dementia—differs from other forms of loss. Jim offers invaluable perspectives on recognizing grief not only in care partners but also in those living with dementia, emphasizing the power of empathy, support, and connection.
Key Topics Discussed:
- Understanding the concept of anticipatory grief
- Differences between traditional grief and dementia-related grief
- Recognizing grief in those living with dementia
- Practical coping strategies and support for care partners
- Finding joy amidst the challenges of caregiving
- Embracing vulnerability and sharing emotions during grief
- The importance of presence and compassion in the dementia journey
Jim’s thoughtful insights will leave you feeling comforted and empowered, whether you’re a care partner, healthcare professional, or someone navigating the dementia experience.
Take time for yourself, embrace the moments of joy, and know that your journey matters.
Tune in to this impactful conversation with Jim Kinsey—an episode that’s sure to resonate deeply with anyone touched by dementia.
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Welcome to Season 2 of Redefining Dementia. I'm Jana Jones and I am thrilled to be joined by my co-hosts, daphne Noonan and Ashley King for another season of fresh conversations, new insights and valuable tips on navigating dementia care.
Daphne Noonan:Hi, I'm Daphne. This season, we're diving even deeper into topics that matter, from caregiver resilience to meaningful engagement. Plus, we'll have a fantastic lineup of experts to share their wisdom.
Ashley King:And I'm Ashley At Person Centred Universe. We help you provide person-centered dementia care at home, work or in your community. Through this podcast, our goal is really to strive toward a better world for those affected by dementia by sharing resources and insights from experts around the world.
Jana Jones:We are also introducing a new format this season with rotating co-hosts. You'll hear from each of us as we take turns leading discussions with incredible guests, some familiar faces and some exciting new voices.
Daphne Noonan:So, before we begin, just a special note the information that we share in this podcast is for educational purposes only. If you or someone you know is experiencing symptoms of dementia, we'd encourage you to seek medical advice from a qualified healthcare professional.
Ashley King:So don't forget to hit that subscribe button and join us every other Thursday as we explore the many dimensions of dementia care. One conversation at a time.
Jana Jones:Welcome back to the Redefining Dementia podcast. Today we're joined by someone incredibly special and near to our hearts, mr Jim Kinsey. Jim's last conversation with us in Season 1 on Episode 6, resonated so deeply that we knew we had to have him back. His insights and wisdom, especially on the deeply personal topic of grief within the dementia journey, have left a lasting impression. Jim is a talented senior leader with over 20 years of experience in healthcare consulting. As a creative developer of educational content and a passionate advocate for person-centered care, he transforms healthcare organizations around the globe. Person-centered care he transforms healthcare organizations around the globe. Through his work, jim champions equity, compassion and honoring individual preferences values which we hold close to our mission here at Person-Centered Universe. In this episode, we explore the complex emotions that are tied to grief in the dementia journey, how that grief differs from other forms of loss and how we can navigate it with empathy and understanding. Jim offers heartfelt reflections and practical wisdom that will leave you feeling both comforted and empowered. Let's dive in and welcome our friend Jim Kinsey back to the podcast.
Ashley King:Okay, welcome everyone. Thanks for joining the Redefining Dementia podcast. Today we have somebody who is so near and dear to our heart and the last conversation with him was so nice that we decided to have him twice. So welcome, jim, to the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us again, thank you, Ashley, for having me again.
Jim Kinsey:It's great to be here.
Ashley King:So great to have you back. So we'll dive right into the questions and I know you'll have so much insight and so much wisdom on the topic of grief and how we support our loved ones and our colleagues, as well as you know our family members as it relates to the grieving process. So can you begin by sharing your perspective on how grief manifests during the dementia journey and how this grief is different from other forms of loss?
Jim Kinsey:Thank you. Let me first set up just a visualization for us so that we can keep this in our mind as we're going along. And so think of grief as a flowing stream, and as the stream flows there are occasional rocks that stop the movement, there's are occasional rocks that stop the movement, there's occasional twigs that stop the movement and there are sometimes logs that stop the movement. And a grief journey is inclusive of all of those things, with or without it being, with a person living with dementia. And so as we go down the stream or up the stream, we have these milestones where things might be a blip, they might be a twig or they might be a log. And one of the core differences about grief of a person living with dementia is what's known as anticipatory grief. But it's not just the grief that we have in anticipation. What research has showed is that it really is those rocks and twigs and logs along the journey. And so with every stage of dementia, with every change, with every forgotten face and memory, that's a grief moment for caregivers, for family members, and how we move through that really varies depending upon each individual person's capacity to understand what's there. And oftentimes what you look for in these milestones is when someone may be in the midst of stalled grieving. So, ashley, you remember, and maybe some of your listeners do as well, but my grandfather lived at home with dementia for 10 years, and one of the things that I observed was that when he got to the stage where he forgot who my grandmother was, she stopped. And it was evident that she stopped because every day she did what she called his exercises, and that was her sitting down with him saying Arnie, it's me, emma, arnie, it's me, emma. Because she wasn't ready for that phase to begin. She wasn't ready to have to deal with the fact that the man that she had been with for over 50 years no longer even recognized her face, and so that's an evidence of a stalled grieving process for a person in a caregiving role.
Jim Kinsey:I think one of the things that is often overlooked is that the person with dementia, in their own way, is also grieving In the early stages of dementia. You know, we're able to have that diagnosis so early now, and people that are aware that they're starting to lose their memory, people that are aware that they're starting to lose some function, are really grieving as well, and their grief is also impacted by the whole idea of not knowing what's next and not knowing how I'm going to be part of this family and not knowing how I'm going to be cared for. So it's a very complex issue, but you know what Grief is a complex issue alone. And so when you have this kind of anticipatory grief, I think what the newer research is showing is that it is real.
Jim Kinsey:So there was a time where anticipatory grief was looked at slightly different than traditional grief, but the reality is that this newer research is showing that when I have anticipatory grief, I fluctuate the same way in regular grief I fluctuate between intellectual, affective and existential poles. So I have all of this emotion, I have all of these thoughts, all of these emotions, and they are at different ends of a pole. They're at different ends of what am I supposed to do with these. And so, as grief creates an existential crisis in terms of who am I, what do I do now? What is my purpose?
Jim Kinsey:So does this type of grief, I think, for me just as both a person and a person that works with folks and families living with dementia, for me, the key difference is the repetitive nature of it, so the person may forget some names or some places or some times and I can move through that and I can go through that, and when I observe dementia journeys in families and even in my own family, back when, just when you settle into the quote, unquote the new, another twig comes in the stream, or sometimes it's a log, with a serious health crisis or a fall or an inability to, you know, take care of oneself. And so all of this makes the idea of grief with dementia very complex and very challenging for families and caregivers.
Ashley King:Thank you, Jim. I think we could probably end the podcast now, really just providing all of that wisdom and insight. I just want to highlight a few points that you made around the complexity of essentially the consistent journey of grief and through grief and living with grief during the journey with dementia, whether it be for the caregiver but also for the person who's living through that journey, and so, also recognizing that, thank you for demonstrating that it's not a linear process. You know, so often we think, oh, you know, it's been a month, they should be feeling better or they should be better about this news. But, like you said, whether it's blips or logs, how each of us handle each of those scenarios is different for everyone.
Jim Kinsey:Yeah and Ashley. I just want to make one addition to our introduction is to also remember that the person with dementia grieves, and often what they are grieving are the loss of people that they did have recollection of, or the loss of self. You know, I've seen elders with dementia look at pictures of their younger self and become very, very sad. Even if they're not able to express what that sadness is, you can tell by being present with the person that they're missing that sense of self and that they know that person. I think the other thing also is when a person living with dementia experiences death of a loved one or being informed about a loved one's death. We have to be very, very cautious on how frequently we're having that discussion. And I'll clarify with an example.
Jim Kinsey:When I was in operations in long-term care and this is going back about 20 years, you know we trained on reality orientation and so someone would come up to one of the nurses or nursing assistants and say where's my husband? And we trained people to say, oh, your husband died. And you know, maya Angelou has a great statement. She says I did what I knew how to do, and when I knew better, I did better, because what we didn't realize was how triggering that statement is to a person who doesn't recall their spouse died, and it's like they're hearing it for the first time, every single time. And so I think it's important that we're not just being attuned to grief of family members and caregivers, but that we're also attuned to the individual's grief as well.
Jana Jones:Jim, thank you so much. Everything you are saying is resonating with me so much as I'm sure it is with our listeners, because I personally have two grandparents in the midst of a dementia journey and within the past year they've entered into long-term care, which was a grieving process in itself for them and us as a family. And course we are experiencing that anticipatory grief and those ongoing losses and the rocks and the twigs and the logs along the way, as you mentioned. So I feel fortunate to have a bit of a front row seat to hearing you chat with us today. So thank you for everything you're sharing. But through this anticipatory grief and the ongoing losses, how can care partners and family and friends recognize and cope with that type of grief while still being present for their loved ones who are living with dementia?
Jim Kinsey:I think that's where support comes in, and oftentimes families already feel very isolated by having a person that is living with dementia. It is a unique, individualized experience. No journey is the same, no family is the same, no care partner is the same, and so there are times where you can begin to feel very isolated. I think what's important is that you find an outlet that allows you to talk about, to think about and to experience the emotions that you have. You know, when we have an emotion as a human being, the emotion wants attention, and if it doesn't get attention, it's just going to continue to sit there and say I always kind of visualize it as an emotion in your head just poking at you, going still here, still here, you still have pain, you still have pain.
Jim Kinsey:And so if we want to and this is very simplistic, I know, but if we want to get that to stop poking us, we have to have an outlet for that, and a lot of times what I suggest to folks is that you either partner up within the family, but also have to recognize that sometimes family dynamics, if they were tenuous before dementia, that amplifies during dementia.
Jim Kinsey:So you may not necessarily be able to partner with another family member and if that is the case, you know, looking for support groups, but not just dementia support groups, but really looking for groups that attend to anticipatory grief with dementia through the Alzheimer's Society, through other organizations that offer supportive care for caregivers. And then, if you're not that kind of support group person, I think journaling is a beautiful way of just getting it out and you know, for many people that do journal during a dementia journey, they're really left with a text of that entire experience and can go back and reflect and can go back and learn. But I think that there are just a few examples of how do I remain present with the person, because if you're sad, the person living with dementia may not understand why you're sad and then be sad themselves just because the person that I may or may not know, but I see every day is sad. So I think just looking for those kinds of outlets initially is very, very helpful to stay present.
Jana Jones:Yeah, that's such wonderful advice and I really appreciate you laying out the different options for people who might approach that journey differently. Those people who might not feel comfortable in a group setting or reaching out for support to a place like the Alzheimer's Society may feel more reflective and quiet in how they're navigating their grief journey. And just personally, part of my anticipatory grief sometimes is, you know, knowing I'm going to go visit my grandparents, for instance, and thinking is this the time that they are not going to remember me and how will I cope with that when that moment comes? So I also really appreciate you, I guess, reminding us that our demeanor is a big part of how our loved one is experiencing those moments with us when we do get to visit with them, and that's really important to remember, to just really reflect the happiness and joy in those moments that we can while we have them.
Jim Kinsey:You know, Jenna, you're also lifting up a very important part of anticipatory grief. When you're involved with a person living with dementia, you know what you're anticipating. So you know that there will come a time that your grandparents don't recognize you, and so to lean into that now and think about how that feels, how it's going to feel and what are you going to do with those emotions, it's important to kind of process that now so that when it does happen it's less of that emotional surprise, it's less of that kind of crushing blow, if you will, because I know what I'm anticipating. For me and my grandfather it was hysterical. We were friends.
Jim Kinsey:I'd show up at the house and he'd go to the fridge and he'd get two beers I hate beer, by the way. He'd get two beers. Sit on the couch next to me, sit on the couch next to me. We would drink the beers, watch TV. You know we became pals instead of grandson and grandfather. He didn't know who I was, he just knew there was some kid that showed up, you know, once or twice a week and he was always happy to see me. But that's how I transitioned. It was just kind of like okay, so let's evolve the relationship If I can't have the same, what can I have? And I think that that's important, Janet, because I think sometimes people feel like when the individual forgets who I am, that I have to lose the relationship, but I don't. I just have to take control of evolving it and keeping myself healthy through that.
Jana Jones:So, yeah, that's so powerful. I love looking at it that way. Thank you.
Ashley King:Sure, brilliant, and you know I think you've provided some really great practical ways for care partners to really move through. You know their moments of grief, their anticipatory grief, how they can navigate that experience over and over again, and so thank you. And then I. The only other thing I wanted to say before I ask the next question is I know j you know your loved one or your family member or your friend can't remember your name. They can remember just how you make them feel and how you maintain that identity for them and help them to maintain their identity, especially through dementia. So thank you for that. Sure, sure.
Jim Kinsey:I don't know who you are, but I know what you are to me.
Ashley King:Exactly.
Jim Kinsey:You know, and that was what pop did every time I showed up. You know he'd just go get the beers. You know that I was his grandson. He, you know, it was okay.
Ashley King:Yeah, and it's. You know how you process that as well. And so let's kind of look at the other side of this journey that many of our listeners and many people are walking and trying to navigate through. So how can care partners embrace moments of joy, practice self-care and build resilience through the dementia journey?
Jim Kinsey:So I want to give a caveat before I begin. Any humor you have to hold on to it's not disrespectful. Disrespectful it's not.
Jim Kinsey:you're not a bad person if you find moments of your journey funny because funny stuff happens and it's okay to experience that. You know, and I'm not talking about you know laughing if somebody falls or something like that. But there are some times where I can remember my grandmother would find socks in the oven or things in the refrigerator that didn't belong there and she used to get so upset with me and others because we would chuckle. You know, it's like you never knew what you're going to find in the refrigerator.
Jim Kinsey:It was kind of like choose your own adventure you know, and so I think, whenever you can find those moments where you can just experience joy with the person, or even without the person, you know, oftentimes he never knew what he put in the refrigerator anyway so if you can experience joy through that and the other thing is that I always encourage people to look for the window there are these just moments in time where the individual's window opens and they can remember something or they can connect with something, and so staying present and looking for the window to open, I think is one of the things that can bring such joy to the journey but also maintain that connection. And I think we know that the research that is done about the connection between memory and music, I think is a wonderful way to not only look for the open window but cause it to open, and you know, all of that that happens as a result of that can be really incredible. So I think that those types of things are important and I think it's being in the moment okay, and what I mean by that is every day is different. If the person is living at home with you and with other family, there are going to be days that are so much better than others, and hang on to the good stuff, hang on to the days that are really something that you can look to and say it was a good day today. I'm not suggesting we try to replicate it, because we can't, but at the most those are the days we have to hold on to, particularly if we have a few consecutive days that are not good.
Jim Kinsey:You know, as a caregiver, you can begin to feel as if this is too much. This is overwhelming. There's never a good day, but you've got. That's why I love journaling so much for care partners and caregivers, because I can go back and go okay, this was a, we did this, you know and then look at it again through a different lens. I think the other is to also find a way to reconcile that we, as care partners and caregivers and family members, we are going to have a roller coaster of emotions through this entire journey, and I'm bringing that up because of a comment I said previously about when tenuous relationships amplify. Those emotions aren't going to be felt by everybody at the same time in the same way, and so if you just simply look at the five stages of grief, you know you could have a sibling that's in anger and another one that's moved to acceptance and another one that's in denial, and it just all begins to clash together. The person that's angry is going to be mad. When the person in acceptance says, look, this is who mom is now and we have to adjust to that, the person that's in denial is going to irritate the other two because they're going to want mom to do what she always did. And so we have to, you know, find the resources that we can find to support one another, but also just find that ability to be patient with one another and find a way to not only be patient with one another, but find a way to see each other's perspective and to understand the perspective.
Jim Kinsey:So often in relationships, what causes a fracture is that we fail to understand the perspective of the other person. We so, you know, so many times in relationships it's like this is my feeling, this is the right feeling to have, and you're wrong because you don't have that feeling. Have that feeling. However, the other experience is I'm not as ahead on this journey as you are and I still need mom to be mom. And how do we find a way that we can not only provide grace but also provide forgiveness in the moment, and I don't mean anything other than that pure forgiveness of. I don't think we're going to agree, but I love you and I understand where you are Right and I think that that's pretty powerful for are Right, and I think that that's pretty powerful for for you know, whether it's your blood family, your chosen family, or even just a group of friends that you put together to complete your tribe, I think that those moments of grace and forgiveness are pivotal, particularly during this journey.
Ashley King:Absolutely, and I think we see that so often in formal care settings you know, all three of us having worked in informal care settings before and it's really you know to your point. It's having grace, it's forgiveness and it's also having empathy with where each person is on their journey of grief. We often don't think about it because the person hasn't passed away yet, but again, those little rocks, those big logs have all kind of moved each family member forward to experience different levels of grief. Yeah no.
Jim Kinsey:I'm sorry. I think that's the you lifted up an important thing that I want to pick up on, and that is we're not thinking about grief because the person hasn't died yet, and I think it's important for our listeners to really grasp the concept that grief is not just about death. I can grieve the loss of a job, I can grieve when I move to a new city, I can grieve at the end of a relationship, I can grieve through any loss, and I think that that's important, that we recognize that, so that we're not just attending to a person's grief when someone dies, that we're recognizing that the grief process and that process of finding purpose and meaning again occurs for a variety of reasons.
Ashley King:So true, and it's and and it can happen over and over again, especially depending on you know the journey of somebody, whether they be living with dementia or you're. You know, or they're the care provider or family member, and we even see it with formal care. You know providers and I know oftentimes working in long-term care. What we talk about with our staff is to be cognizant I guess I'll use the word cognizant of families and where they are at along that grief process and they want mom to do X, not because they really truly think that mom can do X, but because they're in denial on that five stages of grief, like you said. So it's a really, really profound way to tie so many aspects of grief together, and even without somebody having passed away, and you know, without looking at it from the formal grief process, without looking at it from the formal grief process.
Jana Jones:Yeah, that is such a good reminder too, that we navigate this grief journey in a personal way on our own, but also as part of the greater family that we're a part of. So so interesting to think of it that way. And, Jim, you've been so wonderful about already providing us with so many wonderful practical tips and ideas to share with our listeners. But do you have any additional advice or practical tips that you would offer to care partners or family or friends who are navigating this journey with a loved one living with dementia?
Jim Kinsey:I think there are a couple of important points that I want to make so that I don't lose them. So, in response to your question for care partners and caregivers, you've probably people have probably heard this ad nauseum but take care of yourself, put yourself first, and that's not a selfish act. And that's not a selfish act because you are going to be a better care partner and caregiver when you do put yourself first. So, whatever that looks like for you, for people around the family or the care partner and caregiver and it's a comment about language and a comment I hope people will take to heart and that is be cautious with the words you choose in referring to the situation, the person and the relationships and this is widely talked about after somebody dies. But I want us to put it in perspective to someone that's living with anticipatory grief, living with a person living with dementia. And there are common phrases that are often said with all the best intention and let me underscore that this is not judging that people are dumb and they don't know what to say. This is all the best intention, but when people start phrases with at least that's not helpful, or you'll be okay, or I know it hurts. Do it Because, even if it's a shared experience, my hurt's going to be different than your hurt, and I don't want to know what I should be grateful for, because I'm grateful for everything. So when you say, at least I had, I know what I had. What you're missing is what I don't have anymore. That's what I need you to attend to, are that's what I need you to attend to. That's what, as a friend and as a colleague or whatever the relationship is, I don't need you to try, with all best intention, to make me feel better. I need you to sit in it with me, and sometimes sitting with someone that's grieving requires no words at all.
Jim Kinsey:You know, if you think about the history of death and dying in not just North America, but you know, all around the world, there are these traditions that occur when someone dies or when someone's grieving, and a lot of it has to do with visitation of people just coming to the house and sitting. Sometimes they'll say something, sometimes they won't. Sometimes they'll do something, sometimes they won't. Sometimes they'll do something, sometimes they don't, but it's being present in that moment that I think is really important for all of us to recognize and understand how pivotal that is Persons in the universe are well aware of this, but three years ago when my wife passed away, you know, I had so many people that just wanted to sit in it with me, not fix it, not make it better, just be there and no matter what that looked like.
Jim Kinsey:That was the important piece. And so you know, I think sometimes subconsciously, in our effort to make ourselves feel better, I translate that to. I got to make Jenna happy now. So I'm here and she's going to smile, and if she doesn't smile, I have failed. My friend, look at it through a different lens.
Jana Jones:That's such an important point because I know I mean even personally when somebody is going through something, such a grief process, sometimes you just don't know what to say, so you just say everything, maybe all the wrong things, maybe a few right things, but a lot of wrong things possibly. So what an important point to just reiterate that sometimes words are not necessary and that person might need to just sit with them. And also reminds me of going back to the point that you made about how we can grieve so many different things in so many different ways throughout our lives that have nothing to do with dementia or or, ultimately, death. And I also wonder if looking at it that way can potentially help, I guess, reduce the stigma or the taboo of that grieving process, because sometimes we just don't even want to talk about it and then we get to that point and we just again say all the wrong things. So so many thoughts, I guess, for me, wrapped up in the wonderful advice that you've given us so far particularly, is starting to look at grief.
Jim Kinsey:I've been so taken with the way the actor, andrew Garfield, is so open about the death of his mother and shares his grief and encourages grief. And I'm a 59-year-old man sitting on my sofa last week watching a clip from Sesame Street, crying as Andrew Garfield explains loss to Elmo, but at the same time I thought, oh my goodness, that's so helpful because he's giving permission to feel sad. He's giving permission also to feel happy and to talk about the person and to you know, to do all of that. So I think I'm encouraged the way we're starting to look at grief differently. Anderson Cooper is another person that is really addressing grief and how we look at it and how we understand it, and that's due to his own grief journey. So I think there's a lot of things that are hopeful on the horizon in terms of people becoming more aware of how to engage with a person living with grief.
Ashley King:And I think in your own right.
Ashley King:you've been doing that as well. Right, you've really been. You've taught me, I know again, over the past few years, you've taught me more about grief than you know 20 years of living or working in long-term care. So thank you for that. Thank you, and I know today, or this podcast, will also help better inform and better equip our listeners to lean in to people when they're grieving, instead of trying to lean out and lean away from people because they're afraid that they're going to say the wrong thing. So thank you. Okay, so we've already asked you our favorite last question, so I've got a little bit of a. It's a little bit different in the way I'm going to ask it. Okay, last time we asked you about your hope for P for the future for people affected by dementia. So since then, have your thoughts evolved or is there something new that you'd like to share about your vision for the future in dementia care?
Jim Kinsey:I've looked at this question for weeks. I don't think my core answer has changed, my core answer always being, you know, hope for a cure, hope for better support mechanisms for caregivers and families. But the last time I was on was before my wife died, and so now I look at things through a different lens, things through a different lens, and now that there's research that is coming out about grieving through the dementia process and all of the associated family dynamics and things around that, I hope that through podcasts like this and through other means, that we can start to openly talk about it and not be afraid of it and to understand that this is all perfectly normal and to be expected, but then to learn how to sit in it with someone and be there with someone. And I'll leave you with this last antidote about everybody grieving at their own pace and in their own way.
Jim Kinsey:So when Pop died, after the service I was at the cemetery and I was with my mom, which you could always find me next to her, and she asked the undertaker if she could borrow his shovel and I'm like I instantly thought she's going to hit one of her sisters, but then I let that go and she just put a shovel full of dirt on Pop.
Jim Kinsey:I said are you okay? She said I have to close the door, but my daddy died years ago. I'm just saying goodbye to this person now. I still don't think she ever comprehended how profound of a statement that was, but I was glad to be there and sit with her in that. You know she had grieved for 10 years, she had cried for 10 years and that's where she was. And if you looked around Pope's grave you could see that everyone was somewhere else and not all in the same place, somewhere in the same place, somewhere in the same place. But so I think that the more research comes out and the more we can have open dialogue and the more that we could figure out how just support people that are grieving, the better off we're going to be and the more humanity we can bring to the dementia journey.
Ashley King:Oh, jim, this has been absolutely fantastic and I honestly I don't think there are any further words that need or should be said after that. So thank you, thank you. We appreciate having you and I know our listeners will so value and so covet this discussion, because I know Janet and I have. So thank you.
Jim Kinsey:You are more than welcome. Thank you for having me again.
Ashley King:Thanks for coming.
Jana Jones:Thank you for joining us for this episode of the Redefining Dementia podcast. We hope the insights shared today leave you feeling empowered and connected, no matter where you are on the dementia journey, whether you are living with dementia or you are a care partner, a professional or an advocate. Together, we can continue shifting the conversation.
Ashley King:This season. We're grateful for the opportunity to bring you new voices and perspectives. As always, we strive to offer practical tips and heartfelt stories that resonate with your experience.
Daphne Noonan:A huge thank you to our incredible guests who generously share their time and knowledge with us, and to everyone behind the scenes. Our music is written and produced by Scott Holmes, and this podcast was produced by Jana Jones. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss our upcoming episodes. And, as always, let's keep redefining dementia together.
